tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post406881661762221914..comments2023-04-11T09:46:53.479+00:00Comments on anticant's arena: Oh dear, God!anticanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-65437663354917447972007-06-11T20:17:00.000+00:002007-06-11T20:17:00.000+00:00Richard, please re-read my first response to your ...Richard, please re-read my first response to your first comment on this thread, and let it rest! I don't mock or ridicule your beliefs - you are welcome to them - but I do find them utterly tedious and boring, and not worth arguing with. Sorry.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-7582179375450094182007-06-11T18:24:00.000+00:002007-06-11T18:24:00.000+00:00How do I know, AC ?In such matters I can only 'ste...How do I know, AC ?<BR/><BR/>In such matters I can only 'step outside myself and look in', and try and communicate my results.<BR/><BR/>It all depends what you mean by "voices". If I 'look & listen' to myself, I am trying to make order of chaos...I see and hear, imagine, create, think and feel a vast jumble of images, memories, thoughts, emotions etc. I think in words, and articulate to myself how I feel...blah, blah, blah...<BR/><BR/>I don't think I'm alone here - but I might be wrong.<BR/><BR/>Amid the chaos of all this, I am having a dialogue with myself...as well as with others - like with you now. This dialogue going on in my head could be called "voices".<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you are familiar with the counselling idea of hearing the negative voice on one shoulder (eg I'm useless, I'm going to fail...), and the positive voice on the other shoulder (eg I'm great, I'm going to win)...<BR/><BR/>I know you think my 'being created implies a Creator' idea is bunkum...you are entitled to your view which I respect, AC, but it is one which I disagree with.<BR/><BR/>Believing that, I can talk to myself and to my Creator - and a good place to get a reply is through Nature, Others, Church, Bible etc.<BR/><BR/>I can feel your emotions from here, AC - and they are not positive...definitely negative vibes !<BR/><BR/>But millions of people - especially extremely unshallow people - have believed this too. They are not 'extremists', just common decent folk living their life in the best way they can - with a simple faith in God.<BR/><BR/>What right do you, or Dawkins, have to ridicule or mock such people, and say it's a 'God Delusion' ? You have no right - you only have an opinion.<BR/><BR/>I have to be honest with you - for most people it is a delusion - especially with religious nutters - but not all.Richard W. Symondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783091361323437959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-17484603043284121182007-06-11T14:34:00.000+00:002007-06-11T14:34:00.000+00:00Of course - but the point is, the religious nutter...Of course - but the point is, the religious nutters believe their "voices" come from God. Where do YOU think they come from?anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-28049207488002019842007-06-11T14:25:00.000+00:002007-06-11T14:25:00.000+00:00"Religious delusion", like those you quote, is dis..."Religious delusion", like those you quote, is disgusting but not exclusively "religious".<BR/><BR/>I am sure we could come up with the same kind of nonsense, but uttered by a Fascist Dictator or Communist General, or some other non-religious nutter.Richard W. Symondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783091361323437959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-44312576688509908302007-06-11T06:53:00.000+00:002007-06-11T06:53:00.000+00:00Yes, indeed! To pose an 'either/or' alternative be...Yes, indeed! To pose an 'either/or' alternative between our being either 'created' or man-made strikes me as piffle. In any case, your comment was completely off-subject, and did not address the issues of religious self-delusion and hypocrisy raised by the two quotes I posted.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-78084117209640931642007-06-11T06:42:00.000+00:002007-06-11T06:42:00.000+00:00"Pathetically irrational and naive", eh ?!With our..."Pathetically irrational and naive", eh ?!<BR/><BR/>With our collective wisdom - or otherwise - let's change the subject, AC ;)Richard W. Symondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783091361323437959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-17794539873219589992007-06-11T01:42:00.000+00:002007-06-11T01:42:00.000+00:00Richard, you are welcome to believe whatever you l...Richard, you are welcome to believe whatever you like if it is any comfort to you, but I find your assertions so pathetically irrational and naive that there's no point in debating them. In any case, we've been around this particular mulberry bush several times in previous exchanges. <BR/><BR/>Frankly, I'm bored by this and many other topics which get endlessly mulled around to no purpose on our little group of blogs, which is why I won't be posting so much in future. After nearly a year's blogging I am beginning to realise that there are better things to do with one's life than to engage in endless debates which get nowhere and have no influence on the course of events.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-91225243384864610872007-06-10T21:02:00.000+00:002007-06-10T21:02:00.000+00:00Methinks it is important to remind ourselves how y...Methinks it is important to remind ourselves how young and underdeveloped our minds actually are. <BR/><BR/>I can't quote Joad exactly here, but he said cocksureness is a function of ignorance...if we take 100 years as the time life began on this planet, 'civilised' Man came along in the last hour or so.<BR/><BR/>Life is likely to go on for another 100,000 years on the same time scale - so, unless Man destroys himself in the meantime, our minds have quite some way to go in understanding what the hell it's all about.<BR/><BR/>I don't really have a problem believing in God and an after-life. We are created beings - we are not man-made - so that implies a Creator...which many believe to be God. <BR/><BR/>I believe there is a God - in faith - and I believe I will be 'going home' in some way when I die.<BR/><BR/>People might mock me, but putting it irreverently - I really don't give a shit.<BR/><BR/>As our minds are so young and undeveloped, the common sense stance to take would be agnostic - we simply don't know.<BR/><BR/>There are many earthly things we don't know, and we often rely on the knowledge of others 'in good faith'.<BR/><BR/>No different with non-earthly matters, to my mind.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with a benign God, but I do have a problem with non-benign Man who exploits and manipulates our young and underdeveloped minds to their own advantage - and that has nothing to do with God.Richard W. Symondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783091361323437959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-2155020880114980412007-06-10T17:38:00.000+00:002007-06-10T17:38:00.000+00:00Using them as their scapegoat, indeed.Using them as their scapegoat, indeed.Josehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081096450259201426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-77199173864381070972007-06-10T15:22:00.000+00:002007-06-10T15:22:00.000+00:00Those who receive private personal communications ...Those who receive private personal communications from their Deity rarely behave any better towards their fellow humans as a result - usually the opposite.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4580535460030164028.post-48136183028678828172007-06-10T11:27:00.000+00:002007-06-10T11:27:00.000+00:00Do their consciences experience any qualms after h...Do their consciences experience any qualms after having invoked God's intercession?<BR/><BR/>Or not unlike the Catholic confession, does all this kneeling-down and praying clean their souls before they die?Josehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081096450259201426noreply@blogger.com