Thursday, 11 October 2007

Our values ARE better!

The demise of multiculturalist relativism is celebrated by DOUGLAS MURRAY in last week's Spectator.

11 comments:

Richard W. Symonds said...

The Centre For Social Cohesion : A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing

http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/where-are-our-saffron-monks.html

anticant said...

Who is David Lindsay? And is Oliver Kamm - of whom I've vaguely heard - really "one of the most powerful men in the country"?

What purpose does this hysterical hyperbole serve? We are nowhere near the political equivalent of East Germany - though we soon may be unless there is an effective fightback against the rape of our civil liberties under New Labour, and the remorseless creep of surveillance technology and a 'snoop on your neighbour' culture encouraged by this disgusting government.

However, all this paranoia about a powerful hidden clique of a few people controlling every aspect of our lives strikes me as childish nonsense. The Kamms and Murrays aren't 'sinister'; they are simply expressing opinions - which they have every right to do - which others of us disagree with. It's our right and responsibility to do the same.

It's called the cut and thrust of debate.

Richard W. Symonds said...

"The Kamms and Murrays" of this world are dancing to a tune played by others - whether they know it or not.

Some know it - and are being paid handsomely for it.

anticant said...

Who's tune are YOU dancing to, Mr Creepy-Crawley?

Anyway, I agree with what Murray says. A valid message is not cancelled out because one dislikes the messenger, or suspects his motives. The BNP are a thoroughly nasty, thuggish lot but because they are saying some things that strike a popular chord which the main parties unwisely shy away from, they may well pick up a sizeable number of votes at the next election.

Jose said...

If I may put a word here, I'd say that there are laws that should be applied to deal with all the crimes committed in our countries irrespective of which nationality, race, religion or the lot the criminals are. Turning a blind eye on them for fear of being called racists is a wrong procedure. Races, religions, nationalities must not be obstacles to the application of the Law rigourously.

Richard W. Symonds said...

Creepy-Crawley's dancing techniques, and musical preferences, are a total irrelevance, AC, and you know it.

I don't mind being taken for a fool - I am one - but I draw the line in being taken for a COMPLETE fool.

Just a cursory, critical glance at the affiliations and loyalties of Mssrs Kamm et al should be enough to make us very, very careful.

Emmett said...

ONE Way or another, in history, the hypothetical 'superiority' of values is a mere bagatelle -- historical situations characterised by amorality & factitious hypocrisy are the norm; and, high-value (/sic/) circumstances the exception. These are, alas, the human facts. As mine is a whiggish temperament and I perceive the role of progress in history and what Churchill called the 'moral theme', so of course I am muslim and have an eye on the mid- to long-term. But this is only one orientation toward historical understanding and political decision-making. Looking backward to mythical pasts is at least as congenial to the many in all camps of human opinion as any truly progressive perspective is to the few.

Emmett said...

...[A]nd, th delightful thrill of /fear/, of boogeymen under the eaves, being one of the chief delights right now of my little grandsons, four and five....

anticant said...

I would never call you a fool, Richard - like many conspiracy theorists you are highly intelligent though a tad paranoid.

But I don't buy into this hysterical "the world is at the mercy of an all-powerful clique" stuff. It's not surprising that after the events of the past decade many people, including you and me, feel frightened and disempowered. But that doesn't mean that we are in fact totally powerless, or that the people running things are demonic superbeings.

They are certainly an exceptionally nasty lot, but they are not omniscient or omnipotent. Your credulous theism seems to lead you to believe in the Demiurge made flesh! Cheney certainly resembles Mephistopheles, but I incline to the view that he and his cronies are all too human and as prone to the cock-up theory as the rest of us.

They will certainly come a cropper. The trouble is, we most likely will be caught up in the slipstream.

Emmett said...

ACTUALLY, The mussulman Soffees contend that the 'ultimate conspiracy', objectively understood in terms of a pure & refined, alchemical, solipsism -- the /only/ correct basis for all perception, /NB/ -- /is/ one of immense profound benevolence & foresight. And so, naturally enough, one is proud to choose /islam/, simply because the other religions, humanism and /cet/, none offer any insights to top it! For over the millenia, I am saying, the handful of actually-wise in each generation have set up a large number of 'operations', each one intended to drain a tad bit more of the human psychic & moral swamp. Alas, one may not take Heaven by storm! Over time, these innovations peter out & become nuisances: the Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, 'The Jews', freemasonry, Wimmen's Lib, you name it; all in turn achieve a bit of gain; and, then, all lapse into comparative desuetude, as branches of the entertainment industry: mainly for the diversion of the various kinds of sociopath.
This is too bad and causes a lot of drag on the future, so to speak. It is this sort of stupid 'secretive' waste & folly that Mr Symonds correctly enough suspects & reproves,

SINCERELY,

'abd al-Ghush

Emmett said...

PROPERLY, Upon re-reading, I perceive it is anticant who reproves -- and, who suspects Mr Symonds of according all of this stupidity and short-term plotting too much /mana/!